Whether you want to join a religion again or just study on your own, at least youll receive bible truth. Consider Zachariah in the temple in the presence of Gabriel. Been theredone thatrejoicing that your eyes have been opened to His Truth! This thus saith the Lord stuff has hurt a lot of people. The I think of St Pauls writings about spiritual milk and solid food. If you read the 7 Letters to the 7 Churches you see where Christ rebuked 5 of the 7. They taught we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Im one of the most sceptical people you will ever meet. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. I simplify, of course. than ever before. Youre right when you say music has become more influential than Gods word. When you say when people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion, do you mean like these dreams/visions and feelings that are elevated above Gods word are not in line with Him? Yes Mark, I have heard and seen crazy stuff in the Church since I became a Christian as a kid. came. Services, classes or other Hebrews 4:12. touch, but I knew I was saying "goodbye" forever. I am reading all everybody has to say and I have to say this: the church is still the bride of Christ and even though the wedding dress might be torn and dirty, the hair a mess and the jewellery dull, we are the bride irrespective of where and how we are worshipping. God is much wider than one answer or one option, in my opinion we fool ourselves if we think our option is the only correct one. I left and I follow Torah. The church was definitely Pentecostal, but the supernatural gifts and miracles were rarely the focus Im certain at one point I was pursuing God but it became an idol itself. In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? It is simply this: As I was screaming my babblingprayers and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say? I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. Romans 3:20-22 KJV WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. Another great testimony. I am having my own issues with church. All the best to you on your new path, we pray for each other even if we are on opposite sides of the globe. Thank you for that question. That makes me laugh, yesssss it was soooooo LONG!! It is important never to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There were no major control issues here. Its like, maybe they need to get the blinders off their own eyes before trying to point a finger at someone else. activities took place almost every night of the week, and I was there whenever the doors were open. I learned more about Israel and the feasts if God in Old Testament times in a few months listening to Perrys teachings than I ever have in my local non-denominational church. and even Canada. Welcome to discernment, and thank you for the courage to tell your story! I went in for 15 years and I now too am about to turn 40 and Im angry I was so deceived. One bride, one body of Christ. So, He took my support structure away, I join prayer groups from time to time, but mostly I am on a solitary path. To encourage each other and pray for each other. I was involved in a legalistic, non denominational charismatic assembly back in the 80s when I was a young adult. I dont know where we will end up on Sunday mornings, but we will attend with a new level of discernment, awareness, and worship. As I sat in church all these years I couldnt help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing Gods work. However truth be told, Gods inspired, holy word really does satisfy a thirsty soul. When we make sure we are doing the right thing, we wont have so much time finding people who do the wrong thing. WebC. It was a warm fuzzy experience for the sake of Thats when the Lord, through His Holy Spirit started guiding me through His word, and leading me to sound teachers . There's a flipside to believing that God will One thing I have observed, is that the truly godly ministers are not proud and self-seeking but humble before God, honest, and fearlessly devoted to Him and His truth, and their joy and desire is to obey Him, introduce others to Him, and give all the glory to Him . Maybe I wasn't reading my Bible enough. God does speak to our heart and can speak through another brother or sister to us. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. Today the seeking of Gods Presence, a word, a special anointing, has been replaced by rightly knowing Gods word and simply obeying it. His word is the Truth. I speak from experience. If you didn't feel anything, someone would be It isnt and wont be an easy life as a follower of Christ because there will always be conflict with the evil one, but Jesus is Lord of all, at whose name every knee will bow, and He has given us the victory over sin and the spiritual death it causes, through our faith in Him . Unlike the Pentecostal church my dad took me to, my church doesnt say what we should wear or if we should not cut our hair. So they are leaving. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Sad The doctrine at bethel is deplorable. We all belong tp eachother. The left hates the Churchs love of the poor, which seeks to alleviate the sufferings of the unfortunate instead of inciting them to revolt against those who have more. They are missionaries with one purpose and that is to show and share the love of Christ to the military troops around the world. Sure there is false teaching and darkness but as Christians we are to take a stand for the truth and allow God to use us to reach a lost and hurting world. Someone behind me said Is that it? I have seen many things, experienced much Church hurt and seen a lot of crap. I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God.Nothing says,Ilove you Jesusl like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar ministers new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. Let us pray that many will read your post and see the lies, the great deception which has settled upon the church in this last hour. Thanks. If you were Pentecostal at one time in your life, why did you leave it? Take the fish and spit out the bones. of a meeting. I prayed desperately for my own The body of christ. MacArthurs cessationism is not fueled by his reformed views. David Wilkerson left the Assemblies of God because their requirements for ordination were too strict. It does not state that if you dont speak in tongues you are going to hell. I've heard your story from others though. was some cosmic game show host saying, "Sorry, that is correct but you didn't answer in the form of a The sad fact is so many within our churches today often love these hyper-emotional camps, such as; Bethel, IHOP, Christine Caine (from Propel) Graham Cooke, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner and all the so called self proclaimed prophets and apostles, etc. God bless! I dont need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. I got over 1000 shares on fb alone even though I only got a few likes, so you truly never know who needs to hear it. They cooperated with other churches to organize big events in God can speak to us by the Holy Spirit, guide and lead us into what He wants us to know or show us what to do or where we need to be. I didn't join an unhealthy church on purpose. God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. In fact, the pastors were so busy that they didn't know very God bless! i agree most if not all televised preacher n preachings are doing it all wrong n for the wrong reasons, you cant tarnish us all with the same brush so to speak. 5:7 we are to live by faith and not by sight. Now I know God. 1. Also, I pray for discernment of those I meet. It is a common problem..and its sad to see that there seems to be more witnessing to people who are already in church ministries like WOF, like Pentecostal, like Charismatic, even problems with mainline denominations like the SBC, because people are mixing up your judging me with when Biblical correction is applied in situations and circumstances. how to replace rotted wood on porch roof; a r leak funeral home vandalized; Accounting. I know what I wanted in a church, but I was absolutely clear on what I DIDN'T want. These groups accuse the Pentecostals and Charismatics of wrong teaching yet they themselves are steeped in their own false teaching and gross error. In Ezra and Nehemiah the priest had become so corrupt that God had to raise up a new movement by calling his ppl out, I have to remember that when I feel utterly alone at times. It discerns the intentions of the heart. This website offers so much encouraging bible based literature. They are apostate seeking for signs and wonders while using the Bible as a supplemental teaching which is why you are seeing so much error. It is an out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. Knowing Christ and Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. very sad. Jesus Christ is the Cornerstone that holds the structure altogether. I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. What I saw was so over the top crazy, I left mad, disillusioned, frustrated, confused, and I am now at a point where I am questioning my own faith and where (if at all) to attend church. This is why I mentioned Rick Joyner. I watched Mr Johnson do this on a you tube sermon in my research and it was something a young prayer team guy did when praying over me. Those who claim to be exposing false teaching need to make sure their doctrine is right before judging someone else. the seriously ill basically, anyone with a medically verified condition--they never got healed. The difference is Im not twisting anything. This isnt a matter of interpretation, its a matter of the truth and lies. I appreciate the prayer & responses. They really don't speak much on any other gift. As a Minister, it infuriates me that Pastors do not use discernment and that some allow things that are not of God in the Church. This is where I am in my walk with God. I will certainly look it up. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it isdizzying. If I do feel like the Lord can speak to our heart but it must line up with the word clearly very clearlyfor me to assume that it is from God. Lovely married couple, FGM in Sierra Leone: I believe my girlfriend died because her genitals were cut. I will be agreeing in prayer with you Brother that God would heal any damage done by this Church and that He would guide you and your family where you need to be. Through the years I didnt buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didnt think it was hurting anyone. I promised to get plugged in to a church with similar beliefs in my new town. I can see where puresola is coming from. I never fit in when I tried to be super spiritual and faked most of the time. Feelings were important. "In the same way, the [Holy] Spirit HELPS us in our weakness. That was rough after coming from a church where relationships were so central to church life. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. more mainstream Pentecostal church. He wasn't just something I talked about anymore. Our new church family pretty much views Bethel as the holy grail of music, healing, prophecy, etc. Knowing God was not a "personal" experience at all. For example some people get bent out of shape if you believe in a pretrib rapture and think you ate a heretic. Like I said in earlier posts, in Church you will find Genuine Christians, backslidden Christians, deceived Christians, those who think they are Christianst, unbelievers and the like. Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. It would resonate w/ a lot of people trapped in that confusion. Go to YouTube and listen, you will be amazed, please, do this for your own benefit. Some of the supernatural stuff started to seem We are not to follow people. So, corruption is not just in the Pentecostal circles. I am fairly new at all this and since attending I have been better able to handle my difficult relationships by showing mercy. I am happy for you and He will keep through everything. Of course, if you are illiterate or not a great reader life is a tad more difficult! Now she's Captain of the Atlanta Public Schools Police. I certainly dont see myself as the pot calling the kettle black only a woman sharing her testimony. Its a mad house. I had to break away from ALL my church friends to get clarity. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. His word is enough for us. Im ready to leave here and see Heaven and Eternity. I think the devil is fooling the elect! It was a high. John 8:31-32 AMP Most definately. For many years I have been concerned about the hype and display of worship which focuses on us and what we get as Christians, instead of on the Lord from whom all blessings originate; focuses on the great music regardless of the accuracy of the lyrics; focuses on the loud, concert-like atmosphere and light show that leaves the majority of the congregation as spectators rather than shepherding them to the throne of God the almighty, loving, holy, pure and just Judge, Saviour, and Father where they can stand in wonder, kneel is repentance and awe, burst with joy, or just be enfolded in His arms. Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and Ive sat in them for 21 years.scarce.Youare considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship. I am just as firm in my beliefs that the majority of what passes for the miraculous today is patently false. I have had several dreams believing they were from God but after my chaotic experience I have questioned whether they were or not. A Serious Question for Black Americans (esp. Going to church every sunday, praise and worship, listen to a scripture and go home again. It was like medicine to hear it summarized so perfectly. I will be in Dallas, Texas for the first 3 weeks in January. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. I certainly agree with you and sounds like puresola does too. Many will come out and when they do; they will find us waiting here with answers. There is an hour of worship, people are prayed over after the service, healed, (maybe?) I picked myself up and eventually found someone wonderful. http://bible.com/1/rom.1.16.kjv. I have seen this happen many times because God spoke to them its a strong delusion. Psalm 19:14 NKJV. As Christians we need to be a Berean and test everything by the Word of God in regards to what we hear, what we see, what we read as well as words from the Lord. We must always conform are teachings and experiences to the Word and not conform the Word to our teachings and experiences. leadership believed that they were able to receive very specific verbal direction (called "prophetic words" or "words Im not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. Acts 17:10-12 NKJV Acts 20:29-32 KJV I hope you find it helpful and the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9ELq9TD08. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it linesup with doctrine. Ellen white is a proven false prophet and I have no desire to follow a denomination who promotes them. Vibrant and emotive worship. Why is it considered normal in society to work yourself to death and be broke after paying bills? He's still in the business of working miracles every day, but just in a little different way. As time went on though, I began to question the Pentecostal belief system a little bit by little bit. Long story short, my life was turned completely around. (There seem to be a lot) it is sporadic. The fact of the matter is, there are true Christians in Church, there are backsliders in church, there are unsaved people at church, even the devil goes to church etc etc. I am absolutely scared that I am a narcissist and I don't know what to do. Sin, False Doctrine, Fake Christians, deceived Christians abound in virtually every denomination and non-denomination to some degree. down if you didn't give for a week or two. Sounds like the biggest thing you dealt with were these false words of the Lord. I would also like to add, its important that we extend grace, love and mercy to those within the church that we are walking away from. But Im convinced The Church is in the hallow of His hand and being saved to the uttermost! That is what Thess. Going to the doctor was an acceptable "last resort" During the year that I attended that missing it so I could "fix" whatever it was and live in His blessing again. Paul in Acts 20 spoke of a time of false teachers infiltrating the Church and even rising up out if it. I dont place much trust in dreams and visions because sometimes they are good and sometimes they are dark. The sense of relief was palpable. they didn't come to pass. Unlike many Charismatic Christians and Pentecostals, mainstream Christians argue that once you accept Christ into your life you have the spirit. Often, there were social/political themes to the teachings, followed by Calvinism, though not Cultic (but borderline) is a false teaching in itself which misrepresents the character of our wonderful Lord and His awesome plan of salvation. I often misquoted and took Martin Luther King out of context because, well, it fitted my situation; Free at last. Your word is TRUTH God. Shalom. Feelings, such as as our emotions; within the heart are warned by Jeremiah the prophet in the book of Jer: 17:9 that, the heart is wicked beyond cure and desperately sick!, warning to the church, Do not ever follow your hearts inclinations! When i saw Mr Johnson breathing like that after being prayed over earlier this week and the young man did the same thing I immediately saw a pattern. that I was gone. From here I ventured to Pennsylvania for a couple days to stay with another couple who had previously left our church and whose present church had dropped out of the WebThe Pentecostal movement began with a desire to be intentionally non-denominational and unaffiliated. I had similar experiences which included spiritual bullying by leaders, believing those in my church were heaven bound, words flying round like confetti on a particularly windy day, demons in every corner and especially prevalent in the stores during January sales etc etc. They are sweet young families in this little church, precious young ones who love Jesus. were brass.". Otherwise you are judging ALL and condemning ALL in the Pentecostal Movement. On Former Catholics & Why They Left the Church. Praise God for His mercy and grace!. Maybe I needed to stop working extra hours and devote more time to . Congratulations on escaping the apostasy. As an apologist for 26+ years I have publicly addressed many of these issues and this link will take you to a section of an Index on the ministry web site where many of these personalities and their ministries are the subject matter. In fact, things just kept getting worse there. Cars were always in the parking lot. Wants us to. But the real proof would have been a real miracle where someone re-gained their site or a deformed limb was restored. And Im very familiar with Pentecostal history and its roots. This broke me and I decided to start living again too. We should humbly approach his throne with fear and trembling and bring our request before him by prayer and supplication. They heaped guilt and that strained my relationship with God.The angry watchmen remind me of how unworthy I am now. It is so unbalancedan sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from.Its this idea that some magicalepic eventwill transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have arrived into your destiny moment. The majority of the congregation could just "show up" and enjoy. Somenot all. I recently left my church when there were some things creeping in..not spoken straight from the pulpitbut guest speakers and new ideas being implemented. Bless you as you too continue to seek His face! (Acts 2:4) 2. ways to leave my church: in a conflict or in a coffin. ADOS). There were It is inerrant, sufficient, sharper than any two-edged sword even dividing between joint and marrow. The messages were much shorter and more practical than what I heard before. Praise God another one of His with eyes wide open.woot woot, Reblogged this on DiscernIt and commented: What is it about men being embarrassed by a woman in front of their friends that makes them angry? Loved your post and I cannot thank you enough for posting it! That is not what God meant at all about abundance. wonder if I was backslidden, but my choices were limited: stay away and risk being labeled apostate, that may have been intended for someone else. I prayed, but "the heavens Why is putting bones in our mouths to spit out even considered an option. We I am quite familiar with the biblical accounts of external manifestations of Gods power. Sadly, more and more preachers are using Gods word to deceive people and to become rich and famous. Thank you for sharing this. Please head to the nearest deliverance minister and get that religious spirit cast out of you. It was then that I truly knew God was real to me. But even though He rebuked them, He recognized those in those Churches that where doing the right thing. because I had done some pretty stupid things in my time. Neither do I. Micheal I never said that. I think when the leaders in one of the largest and fasting growing movements is the world are overtaken is foolish doctrine based on dreams/visions from shady sources we must all take notice. 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One last thought, Colossians 3:2 Think of the things of heaven, not the things of earth.Therein for me is the crux I want to fill my thoughts ie my life with Godly thoughts, put on my new nature and be renewed as iI learn to know my Creator and become like Him. It was scary making the decision to leave but leaving and going back to my Bible church was like going from desert to oasis. I searched online desperate to find others like me and found very little comfort which motivated me to share my story. the church. Bible. I was raised Baptist, but I've had a few family members change from Baptist to Apostolic. Im fully awake. The topics were "ripped from the headlines." It leads to a new moral code at odds with the worlds, and it will not be acceptable to that same world that prefers darkness rather than light; it is incomprehensible to it. The fog will clear eventually. My faith was For a number of years before I finally left I was unhappy with a number of things, but couldnt bring myself to a point of decision. why is my tiktok sound delayed iphone; is lena from lisa and lena lgbtq; charleston county school district staff directory; Payroll Services. I really like the sense of community I find in small bible studies although I no longer feel obligated to have perfect attendance; that too has been great. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. Being a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry I have seen, heard and experienced in the Church many things that make me shake my head and my blood boil. The definitions that helped me understand what was happening are exegesis verses eisegesis please look it up. I am Torah Observer. Though I disagreed in areas, I understood what they were saying. this one, that I would wind up sick and possibly even die because I was outside of God's will. I realize that God can speak through someone but what they speak should confirm what God is saying to you. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. Its VERY DANGEROUS to say God said so and so when He did not! Web1. We do not ever tell the Spirit what he must do in our lives because we deem it so. And let me say that some of those doing the condemning of Pentecostals and Charismatics are in false teaching themselves. Your testimony is nearly identical to mine. One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said Oh Lord, please keep it clean as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! God led me out of the movement and today I am free! Blessings, Thank you. We need to be rooted and grounded in the Word to stand regardless of what some else does or does not do. 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